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Magna Mortem
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:59:00 -
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Vidua Arte Album wrote:We can change this for the better, together. She's with you, hence I'm with you. |
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Posted - 2013.12.13 10:13:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Davon Mandra'thin wrote:Cue crying noises. You can go play with your Barbie dolls in some other game This thread ceased to be constructive some time ago I agree. Shall we ask the ISD to close it ? |
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Posted - 2013.12.13 10:36:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Magna Mortem wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:
This thread ceased to be constructive some time ago
I agree. Shall we ask the ISD to close it ? I feel strongly inclined to do so Your choice, we'll help. Eating right now, so expect delay. |
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Posted - 2013.12.13 11:45:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: They don't like being faced with the truth. They would prefer to continue thinking WIS was the reason for the Summer of Nerdrage.
The truth is that this thread accomplishes nothing The substance of its replies has deviated drastically from its premise and has returned to a back and forth to and fro that has been repeated before many times. It has nothing to do with the supporters or detractors of the WiS concept Arguing back and forth achieves nothing Asking if we are nearly there yet over and over neither proves its value nor does it prove any inherent worthlessness to the project Amen, sister. |
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Posted - 2013.12.13 12:59:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
Everytime someone makes a thread like this and it gets to be a threadnaught you have attracted the attention of a dev or two.
You clearly don't work in Public Relations if you believe this to be true Been a member of the forums for 10 years and I have frequently seen random Dev posts so I do know they read forums and don't necessarily reply. However they do read them which is enough. Even if they read 1 in 10 threadnaughts theres a better chance at 1 in 10 than if there are no threadnaughts at all. Gotta keep the issues active. If you don't understand that you've clearly never worked in marketing or politics :) Me and my sisters do not oppose your interests.
What I read here is that you believe that there are devs left that do not realise that there are people out there who want WiS. What I also read is that you believe they have a say in the matter. Also that you think that words have more meaning than actions. You also seem to believe that any amount of words can change their development plan, although there is nothing actually indicating that there is a need to change it towards WiS.
Acta, non verba. That's what you lot fail to understand.
From a higher point of view these threads only serve the purpose of having you people vent, which prevents you from mass unsubbing.
That's action, btw. A collective, coordinated mass unsubbing as a message. That's the message they will hear, understand and care about. It worked in the favour of the FiS crowd, so it can work in yours too. You don't even need to actually unsub, but just have a coordinated effort of a one time event as a threat and a warning. You all cancel and wait what happens next.
If you knew anything about politics, then you'd know that they have no reason to pay attention to you, because you don't give them any. Words are meaningless when people keep paying their taxes and keep going to work. PLEX based subscriptions count as paying taxes, btw.
Acta, non verba. Everything else is just as futile as this thread.
What you need is the equivalent of a wildfire, but instead all you do is keeping a cooking pot below boiling temperature.
I hope I have made my message clear enough.
We can help... but would you care? |
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Posted - 2013.12.13 13:32:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Magna Mortem wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
Everytime someone makes a thread like this and it gets to be a threadnaught you have attracted the attention of a dev or two.
You clearly don't work in Public Relations if you believe this to be true Been a member of the forums for 10 years and I have frequently seen random Dev posts so I do know they read forums and don't necessarily reply. However they do read them which is enough. Even if they read 1 in 10 threadnaughts theres a better chance at 1 in 10 than if there are no threadnaughts at all. Gotta keep the issues active. If you don't understand that you've clearly never worked in marketing or politics :) Me and my sisters do not oppose your interests. What I read here is that you believe that there are devs left that do not realise that there are people out there who want WiS. What I also read is that you believe they have a say in the matter. Also that you think that words have more meaning than actions. You also seem to believe that any amount of words can change their development plan, although there is nothing actually indicating that there is a need to change it towards WiS. Acta, non verba. That's what you lot fail to understand. From a higher point of view these threads only serve the purpose of having you people vent, which prevents you from mass unsubbing. That's action, btw. A collective, coordinated mass unsubbing as a message. That's the message they will hear, understand and care about. It worked in the favour of the FiS crowd, so it can work in yours too. You don't even need to actually unsub, but just have a coordinated effort of a one time event as a threat and a warning. You all cancel and wait what happens next. If you knew anything about politics, then you'd know that they have no reason to pay attention to you, because you don't give them any. Words are meaningless when people keep paying their taxes and keep going to work. PLEX based subscriptions count as paying taxes, btw. Acta, non verba. Everything else is just as futile as this thread. What you need is the equivalent of a wildfire, but instead all you do is keeping a cooking pot below boiling temperature. I hope I have made my message clear enough. We can help... but would you care? You pretty made a one paragraph idea (words are not enough you should be showing them) into a nonsensical flowery language post with a bit of latin thrown in for whatever reason... Words in this case are enough. Its just a game. If the dev's want more money they'll go ahead with WIS, if not then they won't... I don't care that much to be honest, WIS, no WIS.. I'd prefer it but not losing sleep over it. Dear ladies and gentlemen of WiS enthsuiasts.
On display is one of the problems why there is no progress for your cause.
A person that pretends to care with you, but only cares about herself.
She keeps voicing her opinions in a loud and sometimes hostile fashion, but when being offered help or an idea how to create progress, she stsps back and admits that she doesn't really care that much anyway.
A hypocrit.
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Posted - 2013.12.13 13:36:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Delusions of forum grandeur.
CCP has repeatedly stated that they're not touching avatar play for the foreseeable future. Some threads full of bickering on GD aren't going to change that. I agree. Time for a change. |
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Posted - 2013.12.13 13:56:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: You pretty made a one paragraph idea (words are not enough you should be showing them) into a nonsensical flowery language post with a bit of latin thrown in for whatever reason...
Magna is simply telling you the truth, it's always funny to watch you react to the truth like a Vampire reacts to having his coffin dragged outside and opened at high noon while he's still in it The WiS types believe (like the "no local" and "afk cloaking" crowds) that if you just talk about it enough it will "attract the attention of some DEV". It's a bunch of impotent flailing because some DEVs already want this kind of stuff to happen as evidenced by the "future of out prototype" thread. It's the CCP EXECUTIVE BOARD that says "nope, FiS now and for the forseeable future". The Executive board made the wise decision to focus company efforts on what time has proven to them is the important things (space ships) and the stakes (for them) are infinitely higher than they are for any of you who pay the equivalent of 15 bucks a month for entertainment software. It's bad business to throw good man after bad and CCP's executive board looked at YEARS of wasted time on ambulation and said enough of this for now, no more". Quote: Words in this case are enough. Its just a game. If the dev's want more money they'll go ahead with WIS, if not then they won't... I don't care that much to be honest, WIS, no WIS.. I'd prefer it but not losing sleep over it.
Prove it. I'm serious put your money where you mouth is. Not just you, all the WiS people. Prove to the CCP executive board that they are wrong and that there is money to be made from this. Organize. Get all these mythical WiS supporters to make a new account each and activate it with a PLEX. Fill all 3 character spots with characters with "WiS in their names" (ie WiS Jenn aSide, WiS infinity, and so on). You don't have to do anything with this account, let it lapse when it's time is up, but you will have shown CCP that YOU are willing to pay for this stuff that you think will be awesome but that people like me think is nothing but a useless space barbie distraction. PROVE to these DEVs that by giving you what you want they won't end up on an Icelandic Breadline like some of their Atlantian counterparts. Because that's really what you WiS people are asking, for people who feed their children with the money they get paid from a game company to risk losing their jobs if you're wrong and WiS ends up costing CCP money. So mitigate their risks, give them money and say "we got your back, now open the CQ door". Because what you people are doing now is saying "i pay 15 bux, i want WiS", which does nothing but put you on even ground with those of us who want this space ship game to be about. space ships. You're not one of the hypocrits.
Do you care? |
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:33:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Davon Mandra'thin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: The WiS types believe (like the "no local" and "afk cloaking" crowds) that if you just talk about it enough it will "attract the attention of some DEV". It's a bunch of impotent flailing because some DEVs already want this kind of stuff to happen as evidenced by the "future of out prototype" thread. It's the CCP EXECUTIVE BOARD that says "nope, FiS now and for the forseeable future".
The Executive board made the wise decision to focus company efforts on what time has proven to them is the important things (space ships) and the stakes (for them) are infinitely higher than they are for any of you who pay the equivalent of 15 bucks a month for entertainment software. It's bad business to throw good man after bad and CCP's executive board looked at YEARS of wasted time on ambulation and said enough of this for now, no more".
The executives made those decisions based on what people said on the forums dumb arse. You just provided a counter argument to your own post and the people your posting to support. LOL, SEE what I mean. Delusional. Prove the executive board made their decisions based off what people on a forum did. Lets see links to your recorded phone calls to CCP headquarters lol. You can't get the point can you? The point is posting to get the attention of a DEV is stupid when DEVS already want to do what you want. Thus the word "impotent" coming to mind. maybe you need some forum viagra. Quote: Alright, so your saying we should pay CCP money to show them that they are not steering the company in the direction we want? You mean like the absolute opposite of what has happened every time CCP have sat up and listened to the players? Yea, good call Einstein.
There is already a way of people paying CCP to show support of Avatar related content, and showing that people are willing to pay for it. It's called the NEX store and vanity items, and CCP appear to be doing fairly well out of them.
So, you're not willing to put YOUR OWN personal money/effort where you're own entitled mouth is. Thanks for the confirmation. How about this? You get even just 100 or so (hell, I'll accept 80 or 90) WiS supporters to follow my plan (and maybe get someone to make a website to track it). You provide this proof of you guys taking some action instead of whinning and I pledge on Christmas week this year to make an account and plex it (will name the characters WiS Jenn1, WiS Jenn2 and WiS Jenn3).. As confirmation I will put the 1st character up on EVEboard training a skill that cannot be trained on trial accounts to prove that I activated it and will accept as proof others doing so as well. I'm dead serious, I'm willing to throw a plex at your cause if you can prove that you aren't just whiny entitled delusional people. As a man (with a white girl avatar) I stand by my word. Can you? I oppose.
Question.
Why do you believe having them give CCP even more money is a better idea than threatening CCP with loss of money?
Thanks in advance for responding. |
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:12:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Magna Mortem wrote: I oppose.
Question.
Why do you believe having them give CCP even more money is a better idea than threatening CCP with loss of money?
Thanks in advance for responding.
Threatening a company that has provided us with YEARS of entertainment (that we would not have had if they never existed) because they don't want to make what is (in their mind) a bad business decision is highly irresponsible IMO. The people who work at CCP are people, not robots. I can't imagine telling someone who is entertaining me "i'm going to take food out of you and your kids mouths if yo don't let me walk through a virtual door into a virtual spacestation soon". The thought of that makes me want to actually and in real life vomit. No, if i want something bad enough, I'm going to advocate for it yes, but i'm also going to take direct positive action and try to organize the same. The men and women of CCP provide us a fun virtual world to play in, how dare anyone suggest hurting them? I dare, because. If people want something so badly, they have to do something for it. If they don't, they wont. If you read my words again, i wrote "without having to actually unsub", because the threat should be sufficient to get the point across clearly, unlike threads do. YMMV. |
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:17:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:People unsubscribing doesn't communicate anything other than "I'm leaving".
"I would prefer for the CQ to be optional" and "please give us the old weapon icons back" were communicated on forums, and that's the stuff that they went ahead and did. They didn't get that information by intuiting it, but by actually taking on board what the community was discussing. If they had intuited it, then those mistakes would never have been made in the first place. Two years ago people mass unsubbed. You believe they should have just kept talking?
"Watch what they do, not what they say" |
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:38:00 -
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Cpt Tirel wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Cpt Tirel wrote: others keep taking the "silly thread, close pls" attitude and keep going on and on about spaceships and worthless crap that has been talked down in tens of threads before this one.
This is an oxymoronic statement And for the very last time; I am not against WiS I am against worthless self-repeating threads There are not many active WiS threads, I dont think this is worthless or too repeating at all. The largest one of them here in GD now on page 2 had a dev tag since day 1. It would be nice to have a proper official dev response in a new thread like this, i think thats what many people hope for. Others just want to discuss the concept in a refreshing way, obviously something that annoys a WiS supporter like you greatly. The dev response already exists and it's: Not gonna happen anytime soon. Official. Last time i remember it being said was on fanfest. No, wait, by CCP Rise in his AMA.
The official word is out, but nobody cares to listen or accept it. |
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:08:00 -
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How so? |
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:29:00 -
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Organization. Obviously a bad thing to happen against all those who only care for their own interests. |
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